but it's entirely possible that the house of representatives will approve a bill by representative steve stockman to do away with the gun-free school zones. >> and you'd be happy with that, if every school suddenly had people running around with guns, right? >> you're a good guesser. yes, sir. >> where are they going to put them? >> well, when people carry a concealed firearm, one doesn't exactly know for sure. and the element of surprise remains with the person carrying concealed, which means that somebody contemplating doing something horrible doesn't know which person or persons might be able to arrest him -- to stop him. and that's why our jurisdictions that have easy access to concealed carry firearms enjoy lower murder rates than, say, the gun control mecca of chicago which does better than one murder a day. >> let me end by asking you one more question. i think people watching will be curious. you're a very experienced man in your field. you've run your operation for a long time. people take you seriously. you're a leading member of the gun rights lobby. and people believe what yo